On The Poll: Hill Leads In The Ninth District, Kennedy And Brizzi In Dead Heat

Last night, WISH-TV aired the first in what will be three nights of coverage of a statewide political poll that looked at a number of races. The initial segment covered the Congressional race in the Ninth District between Baron Hill and Mike Sodrel and the Marion County Prosecutor's race between Melina Kennedy and Carl Brizzi.

Good news: It would appear that voters in Southeastern Indiana don't want to get fooled again. Hill leads Sodrel by six points.

Even better news: A visibly shaken Brizzi stammered through his on-camera response yesterday after finding out that he's trailing the challenger by one point. Instead of discounting the poll or talking about his record, he went back to the same old "experience" talking points. Hint: Those don't appear to be working, Carl. Nor do your "I'm a really tough guy" TV spots.

Anyway, here are the results from the first segment of the poll. WISH will air results from the Eighth and Seventh Districts tonight. The final piece will air tomorrow night.

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And for people like you, Marion County will continue the way it is! I will not get off my personal song and dance. Unlike you, I am not quoting figures, stats or rumors. I am talking about real life, real issues the prosecutor's office has failed to do.

shhhh, this site does not want anything said if it does not show Kennedy in a positive light, even if it is the truth.

"Now who's avoiding the questions? You've built Carl up like a Roman god, yet you can't support it. You keep claiming there are stats and facts, but instead of producing them, you just revert back to the "Carl is the bestest ever!" line. Accoridng to you at this point Carl is the greatest attorney in the history of the legal profession. Somehow I doubt it."

I don't claim any fact that you mentioned above.

I don't know if he is the "greatest attorney in the history of the legal profession". I know Brizzi and I know what he stands for. I know his passion for Marion County. I have witnessed first hand the opposition he faces day by day. I have seen how the Mayor has shot down his ideas (to better Marion County) while Kennedy sat there like the little drone she is.

If she cared about the streets of Marion County then she should have been enough of a woman to say something back then (she had 6 yrs to do so). Kennedy sat back, watched the Mayor do unspeakable things, and said nothing. What does that tell you about Kennedy? She does not care about an issue until she is running for something.

If you are looking for Brizzi’s accomplishments visit his website, they are all over the place. If you are interested in just getting to know a candidate, I dare you to investigate. However, like any other drone you follow Kennedy so of course you won’t do it. It takes a special strong person to go against the grain. Brizzi did it! He could care less about the ticket.

Results Matter right. Well look at Kennedy’s role in Economic Development results. Kennedy was quoted saying, “Just like in any business, government is the same. You have got to have performance be part of what we look at”
“according to data released by CNN, when Kennedy was in charge of economic development for the city, Indianapolis suffered from 1.37% job growth from 2000-2005.”

“Kennedy continues to say that results matter but she was unable to produce positive results in her last job. When Kennedy was responsible for economic development, cities neighboring indpls prospered while Indianapolis failed to produce positive job results”

“Her sole responsibility was to provide a positive economic climate so that Marion county residents could earn a decent living for their families, but Kennedy failed to produce results.”

Let us see how the Kennedy drones dodge this one. You know its coming 

"STATS-- LMAO!! Let's hope you or your family never has to deal with the prosecutor's office. As far as the 4 YEARS comment, I've been dealing with this for 4 years so you have a first hand witness right here. Forget the stats and rumors, let me tell you the TRUTH. The ad should state victims have no choice and criminals will have as many choices as we can find for them..jail overcrowding, incompetent prosecutors office, how much money you are willing to pay towards election support for a lesser plea to be allowed(not a rumor, true facts here). Maybe you should sit for a while in court 99 and see how it feels for those victims!!! You are missing the big picture here in finally making Marion County criminals pay for the crimes they are committing."

Oh my..will you please get off your personal song and dance...it's getting old.

Yeah, blam Brizzi for all your trouble with the Prosecutors office. Let's not blame Peterson for giving bunches of money away to the Colts or Public Defenders office.

Maybe if Brizzi saw some of this money the Prosecutors office would not be short staffed.

Oh yeah, lets not forget the poster that said the money cut from Brizzi was recently..Hello, wake up...that was 2004 a year after Brizzi took office. Damn ignorance...it gets old.

"Oh my!!!!! Please do your research over the past four years and then get back to me. Thank you."

Now who's avoiding the questions? You've built Carl up like a Roman god, yet you can't support it. You keep claiming there are stats and facts, but instead of producing them, you just revert back to the "Carl is the bestest ever!" line. Accoridng to you at this point Carl is the greatest attorney in the history of the legal profession. Somehow I doubt it.

"investage"

the best and brightest at the marion county GOP

STATS-- LMAO!! Let's hope you or your family never has to deal with the prosecutor's office. As far as the 4 YEARS comment, I've been dealing with this for 4 years so you have a first hand witness right here. Forget the stats and rumors, let me tell you the TRUTH. The ad should state victims have no choice and criminals will have as many choices as we can find for them..jail overcrowding, incompetent prosecutors office, how much money you are willing to pay towards election support for a lesser plea to be allowed(not a rumor, true facts here). Maybe you should sit for a while in court 99 and see how it feels for those victims!!! You are missing the big picture here in finally making Marion County criminals pay for the crimes they are committing.

"Actually I was making a point with the nonsense. If Carl is as great as advertised, why the poor results? The money was taken away only recently, how do you explain the rest of his term?"

I'll just wait until the stats come out over the media. Again, Kennedy has hyped up things she didn't really investage all that well. Trust me, the stats will be in Brizzi's favor.

Actually I was making a point with the nonsense. If Carl is as great as advertised, why the poor results? The money was taken away only recently, how do you explain the rest of his term?

Posted by: | Sep 19, 2006 at 06:11 PM
Oh my!!!!! Please do your research over the past four years and then get back to me. Thank you.

And no I do not think things will magically get better if Kennedy takes over but they sure can't get any worse. I completely agree that the criminal justice systems needs a complete over-haul. If any of you or your family had dealt with what I have dealt with, you would understand the frustration. But I've been dealing with this for years and couldn't feel any less safe with someone new giving it a shot. Shame to say I don't even file police reports anymore and why waste 4 hours waiting to get a new protective order when it does me no good if it is violated. Maybe once I become the next murder on the front page of the newspaper, someone will actually do something. But the way Marion County is right now, I highly doubt it. It will just be another NUMBER to add to the figures!!

"Again, another nonsense approach to a legit question asked. Do you see what I mean about avoiding the question?"

Actually I was making a point with the nonsense. If Carl is as great as advertised, why the poor results? The money was taken away only recently, how do you explain the rest of his term?

[TDW]

An independent who surfs week-old threads on left-leaning political blogs using Anonymouse.

Riiiiiight.

Got a real nice igloo to sell you, my Eskimo friend.

Again, another nonsense approach to a legit question asked. Do you see what I mean about avoiding the question? Every time a question is asked, we have to put up with more campaign jargon. If she is such a great leader then why can’t someone really answer my question?

If Kennedy is so concerned about cleaning up the Marion County streets, why didn’t she speak up the 7 yrs she worked for Peterson?

Why was she not a sounding board to help Brizzi when he submitted proposal after proposal about the overcrowding to the Mayor…Only to be shot down repeatedly. Now with all the killings, the Mayor and Kennedy need to address the issues…little too late guys (7 yrs).

This race is all about the ticket, no doubt about it.

You know, I don’t care if you are Democrat, Republican or Independent. Just take the time to investigate and make an educated decision. I’m an Independent and believe me if I thought Kennedy was right for the position I would vote for her.

I have watched as she has run a dirty race. I have watched as she digs for dirt on Brizzi and only reveals part of the story. Therefore, Kennedy you get kudos for being slanted and mischievous.

[I heart hot carl]

"Where the hell was Melina Kennedy when the Mayor cut 800,000 and gave it to the public defenders office. Are you people so blind as to not realize that assisted in putting the criminals right back on the street. "

Impossible! Carl the world's greatest most super prosecutor ever! No way guilty criminals would get past him and back on the street. Only slightly less underpaid public defenders are no match for Carl's steely gaze of justice!

These are the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. Brizzi is being blamed for the entire system. What a bunch of shit. Instead of placing blame where blame is due, we look for someone to hang on a cross.

Where the hell was Melina Kennedy when the Mayor cut 800,000 and gave it to the public defenders office. Are you people so blind as to not realize that assisted in putting the criminals right back on the street. What was kennedy doing to stop this? Nothing...again another drone working for the Mayor

All of a sudden she is running for Marion County Prosecutor and they are all concerned about crime and cleaning up Marion county.

Nobody on here is really concerned about the real issues, just the ticket. That is pathetic! I asked someone today who they were voting for and the answer I got was “who is the democrat”.

My God people, has everyone gone insane. This poor lady thinks when Kennedy gets into the office a miracle of Marion county will occur.

I have also noticed how most people on here just skip the issues when faced with facts in favor of Brizzi. It’s like they turn a deaf ear...that proves my point about a ticket based campaign.

What the hell has Kennedy done except be in the pocket of the Mayor and his agenda.

Results do matter Kennedy, where the hell are yours? You slam Brizzi and his record. How will you direct and manage something you have never done before? Who wants to be the first criminal case prosecuted by Kennedy or someone she is directing.

Do you feel safe with Kennedy’s experience? The question is not “ARE YOU SAFER NOW THEN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO?”
THE QUESTION IS ,DO YOU REALLY FEEL SAFE WITH AN INEXPERIENCED PROSECUTOR USING THE PROSECUTORS OFFICE AS A TRAINING CAMP?

"How many cases had Carl prosecuted before he was elected?"

Carl worked right under Scott Newman as Deputy Prosecutor. Not to mention he had his own law pratice downtown.

[Ravekid]

"From a woman who has dealt with abuse, harrassment and stalking for years, it is WAY past time someone new takes over who is going to make criminals pay for their crimes."

For your sake, I hope you don't think things will magically get any better with a new prosecutor. Marion Co. needs a complete over-haul of its criminal justice system. I don't mean they need new leaders, I don't know how they are doing in their jobs. What they need is specific, well laidout plans. There should be a place for you to go down to the prosecutor's office to basically file for a warrant as a private person/victim. Instead, you get the run around because of case load. Case load will not change when Melina gets elected, so what does she plan on doing? The simple fact is that to run this office effectively, Marion Co. residents need to step-up to the plate and pay their fair share. Instead of raising taxes which he can control, Bart wants to get his greedy hands on the money of people who live outside the county.

[A Marion County Victim]

From a woman who has dealt with abuse, harrassment and stalking for years, it is WAY past time someone new takes over who is going to make criminals pay for their crimes. It is great to claim you take care of crime but you actually need to do your job and not be trying to win votes. Prosecutors office in Marion County is the worst!! Cases get thrown out when protective orders are violated because police officers do not directly serve protective orders to the criminal and prosecutors office gives me the lame excuse they were too new to their job to realize they needed to subpoena person who PO was given to(criminals secretary). Another case gets thrown out because charges were filed incorrectly, even after I had a phone trace on my phone from phone company to verify the harrassing phone calls came directly from the criminals house. I got the excuse that prosecutors office is just too busy, overworked and understaffed to have met with me before deposition took place and review the case. This is a habitual criminal...he is on probation (attempted rape against another victim but you AGAIN let him PLEA DOWN to a battery charge, slapped him on the hand and let him WALK FREE to commit more crime) , VIOLATED HIS PROBATION just last week and was arrested but RELEASED right after booking for the yet again lame excuse that jail is overcrowded. Don't you think if you finally DID YOUR JOB and make criminals realize they are going to pay for what they do we might have less crime? You are even allowing LESSER pleas to not make a criminal pay when they have raped someone or abused someone. TV ads being played to win votes state that Marion County protects the victims.......I ASSURE YOU THEY DO NOT!!! They protect the criminal to let them know they will get a slap on the hand, offered a lesser plea, very little if any jail time. GOOD LUCK TO MELINA KENNEDY--SHE'S GOT MY VOTE FOR SURE!!!!

Someone give Rave a lesson in basic property tax accounting and philosophy.

They're hiring at the Marsh on 116th St., Rave. Bagboys are needed, and the blue hairs and soccer moms tip pretty well.

Ravekid, get a clue - the Census defines Hispanic as an ethnicity, not a race - so you cannot add up White, Black, Asian, etc., with Hispanic and get the total population. You will probably rant about this but it is simply the way the Census keeps the stats. So when one says that 55% of births are non-Hispanic whites, that is the same as how you probably define "just plain white."

[Ravekid]

"Does that mean the R's in Hamilton County aren't good just "sho ins"?"

This is pretty much true in some of the counties. Hamilton Co. differs because of all the new, unattached folks moving in. However, once that growth slows down drastically, the same players will be voted in year after year. Then their kids will be voted in or at least work in upper government admin.

This is what I hate about my county. The good 'ol boy network votes the same people based on their last name and history of the county. Then they choose not to vote on certain issues because "I know the landowner." or whatever. Great, so we have folks who can't vote what the majority of their voters want because "I want my good buddy Paul to get a nice fat check from so and so home builder."

[Ravekid]

"...I think you should take your own advice and move out to a donut county or beyond."

Already have. Lower taxes, less crime.

"Don't go to a Colts or Pacers game."

Too costly. Even though I am paying a small portion of it, it is still a private facility...go figure.

"Don't attend the symphony or IRT. Don't go to the Indy 500 or the Brickyard. Don't use our airport."

Indy does not own the Speedway. In fact, it is not even located in Indianapolis. Did not know the city owned the airport...thought BAA owned it. Also, if the city owns it and runs it via taxes, why are their airport fees applied to ticket prices of Indy residents for the rights of the aircraft to land/take-off?

"The lack of understanding you have for the fact that our economy is a regional economy is mind boggling."

I was told by a person who owned a downtown condo worth at least $250K that he was not paying very high property taxes. He said it was because of all the commercial projects in Center Township. Can anyone really confirm this? If this is true, this is wrong. If this is a regional area, then everyone in every township should be paying the same tax rate based on their property value. The fact is that things are not equal, and if Indy wants to give handouts to Irsay, the Simons, or other multi-millionaires, I don't want to be taxed to make up the difference. If this is a regional area, stop the corporate tax giveaways to _all_ business, not just a few here and there.

[Ravekid]

"Fact: Marion County runs around 14,000 births yearly. 55% of births are non-Hispanic whites; 28% are black, 14% are Hispanic. There'd have to be 8500 Hispanic births a year for their births to be 60% of the total. Hispanic births are running just 2,000 yearly."

This makes no sense at all. 55% are non-Hispanic whites. Does that mean 45% of white births are Hispanic? If only 14% are Hispanic, what are the 45% of white births outside that 55% figure? I should also add that I also stated "Is this true?" My personally opinion is that it is possible that the stat was talking about babies born at Wishard hospital.

[F. Lee]

His murder conviction rate may be 95%, but that's only on the cases that his office goes ahead with murder charges...ie SLAM DUNKS with confession, 10 eyewitnesses including a member of the clergy, DNA and a bloddy glove.

95% does NOT include all the pleas, dismissed cases because of "lack of evidence" (remember the cops arrested the guy), etc. etc.

[taxpayer1]

Mr. Brizzi:

Your first problem area is being led around by Mike Murphy. Your second problem is you can count the number of murder trials you have taken since being prosocuter on one hand. You only take the ones that are "high profile" so that you get your mug on t.v. Shame on you. Someone murdered on the street is just as important as someone murdered in their home, just because the media shows up to that one you are on the bandwagaon!

You hate public defenders. Your mind is so narrow you just don't get it. Jail overcrowding? When you ran the first time you were going to address this and "get this taken care of once and for all"??? mmmm??? Wasn't so easy was it Mr. Brizzi? Think befoe you speak and get the hell away from that Marion Co. GOP. Trust me when I say. That Titanic is going down fast! Jump while you can!

10:03 - if you honestly believe that is true... why are you wasting your time commenting on it. Us Democrats appreciate that you have given up but please don't waste our time with your mindless point of view. Do you hear the Dems saying this about the Rs in Hamilton County. Can you get any more onsided when it comes to a party's majority in an electorate? Does that mean the R's in Hamilton County aren't good just "sho ins"? Would you like to rip them as well?

"i'm not that egotistical media whore carl brizzi who doesn't stand for anything but his own publicity and who could not convict a glass of tap water."

that might be a better platform

Melina should at least truthfully state her campaign platform: "I'm a Democrat, and you all vote Democrat around here. Ergo, I'm a shoe-in."

"It's a little early, don't you think for duke out at the old corral."

Early? You kidding me, he waited a whole four months longer then Chocola. Chocola's first attack ads against Joe hit the air in May!

[dreamer]

Sodrel must know all the polls have him behind. That is why he is sliming Baron. Desperate people do desperate things. It's a little early, don't you think for duke out at the old corral. Sodrel can only go one way, dddddddooooowwwwwnnnnnn!

8:13 - I was also at the Hob Nob and I thought Melina did great. She was strong, sharp she DID answer the questions. If you think that her responses were more soundbity than Brizzis than you have been brain washed. I can't wait to hear confirmation from someone that Brizzi's murder conviction rate is 95% as he strongly asserted. Any insiders (not Brizzi trolls) know the answer to this?

he was no scott newman.
everyone knows that.

8:59: Carl was the head of the Gang Task Force as a deputy prosecutor before being elected.

Ravekid:

I don't know where you live but if you live in Marion County I think you should take your own advice and move out to a donut county or beyond. And when you do, don't come back to Marion County. Don't go to a Colts or Pacers game. Don't attend the symphony or IRT. Don't go to the Indy 500 or the Brickyard. Don't use our airport. Don't drive on 465 (use the county roads). Don't take a job with a company that does business in Marion County. Don't associate with any of your neighbors who earn their living in Marion County. You will see how impossible it will be to operate. The lack of understanding you have for the fact that our economy is a regional economy is mind boggling. Do you think Carmel would be what it is if it wasn't for the wealth produced by the Marion County law firms, developers, Hospitals, Lily, Roche and on and on and on.....

Good luck.

[Mordant]

Why would ANYONE want to be the prosecutor when there's nowhere left to put crooks? The jail and the legislature are both full.

[its a numbers game]

pea shake refers to the numbers that are put in a container and shaken and then the winner is pulled out. Basically it is just a lottery game.

Okay, explain to this outsider, meaning outside Marion Co. and the donut, what a peashake house is. A place where they play pea and shell games? Didn't get much info when the word was googled. Is this an Indy phenom? Whatever it is, sounds like a whole lotta' illegal gambling and Indy types know all about it.

How many cases had Carl prosecuted before he was elected?

brizzi will know that results matter when he gets hit by the Star in a few weeks. his record is shit...

4:35---Just saw Melina speak at the HobNob. Not impressed. Never answered a single question. Never spoke off her talking points and never talked for more than twenty seconds. Also found it personally disgusting the way she smiled while talking about habitual criminals and murderers. She was full of soundbites and not answers, which I didn't expect since she's a political novice. The only thing I was impressed with was when she said that crimefighting was a team sport, meaning she and the Mayor and the Sheriff are as much to blame for the recent crime wave as anyone. Wonder if she thinks those "results matter?????"

Good job coming up with the stats, but I think Ravekid is more a truthiness type.

Once again, Ravekid raves, but his facts are from the planet Mars. Fact: Marion County runs around 14,000 births yearly. 55% of births are non-Hispanic whites; 28% are black, 14% are Hispanic. There'd have to be 8500 Hispanic births a year for their births to be 60% of the total. Hispanic births are running just 2,000 yearly.

What a racist, elitist comment - implying that all Hispanics want handouts.

[Ravekid]

"I wonder what the trolls will say if Channel 8's poll tonight shows Julia Carson with a wide lead over her GOP opponent."

These trolls need to wake up. Marion Co. is a socialist enclave. I was recently told that something like 60% of the babies born in Marion Co. were hispanic. Is that true? If so, the cries for handouts will get even louder. It is no wonder Bart and his crew are talking more "regional" taxes. Of course these hypocrites don't want to pay for their own socialist utopia. Maybe they should at least tax the peashake homes in the county? If video poker can be an issue for Dems, why can't another form of gambling be an issue for Republicans?

[Ravekid]

"Hey Ravekid, we're spreading out into the donut counties too!!!"

Once the liberals take over most of the country and apply Canadian taxes so layabouts and bums can continue to live like animals, I will likely move to Canada. The new motto for Canada will be: Live in Canada, it is just like the US...without the ghettos and pollution!! At least there high taxes mean something more than just providing political friends jobs and handouts to worthless drains on society.

Is the Free State idea gaining any steam?

Seems there's a lot of folks on this thread who were asleep during math and stats classes. For 4:13pm. The Channel 6 "poll" you speak of is an instant poll where anybody who goes to the website can vote on a topic. It's just a reflection of those who visit Channel 6's site and express an opinion. It's not a scientific, accredited poll/survey of opinion.
For 4:25pm, please produce the scientific, statistical analysis that makes you say that a statistical dead heat means "the Republican is up 5%".
(PAUSE)
Thought so. You don't have it cause it doesn't exist.
The trolls don't want to face the fact that just as the suburban counties have become more and more Republican, Marion County has become more and more Democratic and independent, not knee jerk Republican.
I wonder what the trolls will say if Channel 8's poll tonight shows Julia Carson with a wide lead over her GOP opponent.

[resident]

Melina will lose. Melina should lose.

Melina has no experience. Melina has never prosecuted a criminal case. Melina is running on the steam of a general trend that has turned away from the republican party.

Melina may have done some nice things for the city under her current position...but trashmen and presidents of large businesses in the area do too...and I don't want either of them to be my prosecutor.

What a shock! The hapless, underperforming, band of boobs at the FOP opposes Melina Kennedy. What, Vince, has it been a week since you've seen your ugly mug on the TV!? WTHR should look into HIS record, they might be interested in what they'd find!

4:13,

you obviously have never seen her speak. she's a great public speaker!

Don't know what IndyU is, 4:28, but I know you're an idiot with no retort but some childish and ineffective dodge.