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Citizen Unrest: Shelbyville Meeting Turns Into Another Indy Toll Road Debate

Orangecone_6One big thing TDW neglected to post over the weekend was the story of yet another doughnut county meeting where the opponents and proponents of the Guv's proposed Indy toll road clashed on the merits of that plan. WISH-TV reports:

"An annual breakfast meeting on legislative issues inside a Shelbyville restaurant Saturday morning turned into a heated discussion on the Indiana Commerce Connector. The proposal calls for an outer loop around the northeast, east and south sides of Indianapolis.

"Representatives Bob Cherry and Sean Eberhart and Senator Bob Jackman talked about issues in the Statehouse. But this audience wanted to focus on one- the Indiana Commerce Connector.

"'How can you justify destroying thousands of acres of our farmland and destroying our environment with polution of a toll way would bring?' one resident asked.

"Toll road questions continued and tempers flared as hot as the coffee on the table. For more than an hour, questions and opinions flew around the room. The meeting concluded but concerns still remained.

"'Even if the feasibiity study says it's not worth doing, Mr. Daniels can go ahead and approve it anyway. He has the power to do that because of the way it's written and that's why we are concerned about it now,' Shelia Zike said."

And we all know you can forget the balance if you give the Guv a blank check.

Comments

The connector is needed to some extent. However, it needs to be a little further out and does not need to be interstate quality. It also should not be a toll road. One example would be to take the 109 from Anderson and just upgrade it heading south. Then try to tie in with some rural county roads heading all the way down to I-74. Then upgrade 44 from Shelbyville to the new I-69. Have two lanes each way.

It would not be that hard. For starters, close off some of the county roads that intersect the highways. Second, get smart on intersection design. Develop better and safer intersections. Build bridges over these already existing roads.

To me, we will have to do _something_, otherwise we will end up hurting in the future. I think this idea is a lot better than a brand new road with tolls.

"However, it needs to be a little further out and does not need to be interstate quality."

Do we even know where it would go right now?

Every map I see looks like someone let a three-year-old draw the route with a giant purple marker.

"Do we even know where it would go right now?

Every map I see looks like someone let a three-year-old draw the route with a giant purple marker."

Folks without a clue were responsible for the purple marker thing. Living out here, I can tell you that you cannot tie this thing near Pendleton, then go south between Greenfield and Indy. That entire area has way too many homes in it. While no where near as dense as Indy or say Fishers, it is still too dense for a brand new road way. Upgrading an existing county road _might_ work, as some roads in this area are still gravel with nothing but farm land around them. However, you are eventually going to hit a neighborhood(s). The further out you get, the more easier it would be to upgrade some county road into a four lane highway.

Pretty good discussion about this going on over at the Shelby County Truth blog as well: http://tinyurl.com/yvkz9p

All this toll road nonsense makes me think of Oklahoma's plight: http://bubbaworld.com/turnpike.html - I hated, HATED driving through OK on my way to the grand canyon. Lots of tolls to pay on the way.

Note to Clueless poster 10:29 who said..."Folks without a clue were responsible for the purple marker thing. Living out here, I can tell you that you cannot tie this thing near Pendleton, then go south between Greenfield and Indy..."

Go look at a map. It's called SR 109, and it runs from Anderson, just east of Pendleton to US 40 just east of Greenfield. Widen it to 4 lanes and presto - you've got a connector road from I-69 to I-70, without needing to take additional land!

Or, if you're really hung up on connecting Pendleton to Greenfield, then widen S.R. 9 to four lanes.

There ARE other options, but the Guv's got a hang-up on making a completely NEW road while ignoring what's already there.

"Go look at a map. It's called SR 109, and it runs from Anderson, just east of Pendleton to US 40 just east of Greenfield. Widen it to 4 lanes and presto - you've got a connector road from I-69 to I-70, without needing to take additional land!

Or, if you're really hung up on connecting Pendleton to Greenfield, then widen S.R. 9 to four lanes.

There ARE other options, but the Guv's got a hang-up on making a completely NEW road while ignoring what's already there."

What put your panties in a bunch? Do you even know what we are talking about when we say "the purple marker thing?" That was the original map with a very wide purple line that did go between Indy and Greenfield. As I stated in my first message, I agree with you on using S.R. 109. Also, you might want to double check your facts. S.R. 109 is not "just east" of Pendleton or Greenfield, unless Greenfield just annexed all the way out to Knightstown!

Also, if you drive the 109, you would know that it is not that simple. Anytime you widen a road, land is taken. I would take the 109 and take land to connect it to some county road just west of Warrington. Then upgrade that county road all the way down to I-74. Along the path, other land my need to be taken for bends/curves, but I agree it is a better plan than a brand new highway.

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