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Do Your Thing: Stuff From All Over To Ponder On A Rainy Sunday

Roulette TDW has oodles of things and other assorted stuff to do today, so here's a brief Sunday roundup for you to devour:

How the Guv's tax plan will affect neighborhood project money in Fort Wayne.

A little more on the Cam Savage contract and Matt Kelty's recent ask for cash to support his legal battle against the godless masses.

The Louisville Courier-Journal's Lesley Stedman Weidenbener tries once again to explain some of the details of the Guv's tax plan.

Former Gov. Joe Kernan and Indiana Supreme Court Chief Justice Randall Shepard preview their blue ribbon commission findings on local government reform.

The Star's Matt Tully looks at the Democratic gubernatorial primary.

And in the blog world, Indy Undercover is signing off. What will the nutballs do now?

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On the IndyU front, that is pretty strong circumstantial evidence that the site's authors intend to be significantly involved in the new administration.


It also exposes the site as a pure partisan site, intended to stir things up against Peterson. Let's see how morale is when the officers don't get their precious cars and raises. Lies and misinformation, it was. And plenty of meat-headed racism.

I don't know who wrote the site, Bob Turner, Ike Randolph, etc. But I'm looking forward to them being in the hot seat. They are loose cannons and will end up hurting the incoming mayor. Bob Turner may yet do another stint in the evidence room, and Ike - well, let's just say he doesn't have much room to criticize Monroe Gray for ghost employment. Someone should look at how he successfully managed the 10 Point Coalition also.

The sleaze level along with the mean and lying levels have greatly decreased now that this past due death has happened. Now if we can just do something about Jamaal Tinsley.

Puh-leze. This is just another IndyU stunt. They'll be back next week, like they always do. Until then, good riddance.

"Let's see how morale is when the officers don't get their precious cars and raises."

You think out of 1,000+ officers, not a one will start a new blog about city police issues?

Yeah - but this time it will be a genuine policeman dealing with genuine police issues, not some covert politicians trying to slam and slime for partisan political purposes.

With all due respect, and a follower of this site, I cannot imagine that we would have any credibility by throwing stones at another site. We all have an axe to grind. Lets keep it real and not lower ourselves to dulusional thinking. We are no better, no worse. Just different. Truth is sometimes difficult to accept.

That's a load of crap. IndyU is/was the basest form of pandering and dirty politics, and run by real intellectual neanderthals to boot. That's "keepin it real." The only reason it's going away is that its writer or writers will become part of the Ballard administration, and they don't want to keep the "count" and other bs. Good riddance. Good luck with Ballard, you'll need it!

IndyUndercover is the catalyst that enabled the protests start. I heard Melyssa give credit to the police and Indy Undercover at the 4th of July rally she organized. She said the cops will save Indy. She predicted the election results that early and gave credit to Indy Undercover and coordinated factions of people that didn't know each other. Got to admit, it worked, and she was right.

Who won the election: not those who voted
on election day but more so those too lazy or too indifferent to get to the polls to exercise their right to vote that day.

Indyu is signing off because Ruth Holladay nailed Abdul on it. Not the kind of PR Tom John's law firm needs.

"And in the blog world, Indy Undercover is signing off. What will the nutballs do now?"

Continue their liberal rantings on this blog just as they've always done.


Jamaal Tinsley of the Pacers and several companions were shot at by someone armed with an assault rifle outside the Conrad Hotel in Downtown Indianapolis.

Tinsley's group left a club on 38th Street, driving a Mercedes, Rolls Royce and a Dodge Charger, realized that they were being followed and pulled into the Conrad instead of going home.

The shooting began after they reached the hotel. The Rolls Royce was struck by several bullets. The Charger also was struck and was found to have five bullet holes, Thompson said.

Police said the suspected weapon is a .223 assault rifle.

Pacers equipment manager Joey Qatato, 48, was struck in both elbows as he sat with Tinsley in the player's Rolls Royce. Only one person was arrested on the scene -- Antoine Toon, 31, a member of the Tinsley group wanted on an unrelated warrant out of Georgia.

Two of the three vehicles in Tinsley's group followed the shooters in a chase to Monument Circle, and Tinsley's brother, James, returned fire.


What the heck??? How much longer are we going to put up with this crap? Sounds like a rolling gun battle with rifles in downtown Indianapolis and the comment from the Pacers is about whether it was on a game day?

File charges and get these characters off the court and out of town... good to see the city cracking down on the Phoenix apartments... now go after the Pacers!

Excuse me, how in the world can Abdul run a site called "Indiana Barrister" when he isn't one?

That's "holding out oneself," as the Rules say.

How does John's law firm, Shabazz and IndyU fit together?

What's the dirty backstage dealings?

"Yeah - but this time it will be a genuine policeman dealing with genuine police issues, not some covert politicians trying to slam and slime for partisan political purposes."

Are you saying that a new blog, by cops, for cops, and about cops could be more credible?
IndyU was about not just about Peterson. It was also about Anderson, and the way they both screwed up two fine departments and lowered the morale to an all time low.

Hopefully the next blog will bring solutions "to the table".

Hopefully, the next solution will cancel take-home cars.

Indy is getting fleeced by its police. Take-home cars are the new apples off the cart.

Abdul is affiliated with the firm. The IBJ wrote a glowing article about the firm right after Ballards's win, touting their access to future govt work (btw, Abdul is a contributor to the IBJ)...Ruth Holladay has been on the Abdul/IndyU connection for some time...and he doesn't deny the connection. Her post today is enlightening.

Say Ruth continues her sleuthing and finds out even more on the Abdul connection...nothing kills one's credibility (particularly a business' credibility) more than being associated with a juvenile, racist hate-filled blog.

Somehing to think about...

Yes, lets cancel the take home police car program. That way, I can drive right on by the citizen with the flat tire or the accident or whatever. I can act just like the rest of the sheep and put my blinders on. Much safer for me.

Yes, I like the way that guy thinks. No more working after the 8.5 hr shift. I'm done after that. You need the police, then call 911, I'm off duty.

7:27, do you log whether the responding officer is an off-duty police officer?

I'd like to do an open records request to see just how many responses are made by off-duty officers so I can quantify the benefit of this policy.

Let's see: IndyUndercover calls it quits and the Indianapolis Star announces that INtake is (to quote Ruth Holladay) folding its crease for the last time on Dec. 13. Is there a connection? Inquiring minds want to know!

I would like to see the star report on the payment Tom John received after leaving the state - in clear violation of daniel's ethics rules as well as the payments made to abdul by john's firm AND the connection between adbul and IndyUndercover (which is one and the same). What we'll see is:

State (ag's office) funds Indy Undercover with political funds illegally (or unethically) given to John and contracted to Abdul

Was Abdul running his radio show while sharing a fiduciary interest with the campaign manager for a Party?

If so, that seems like a violation of election laws. He can run commercials for a candidate, all he wants, but to use a broadcast surreptitously, while not disclosing an interest or declaring the broadcast as an in-kind contribution seems to skirt the FEC's rules.

"That way, I can drive right on by the citizen with the flat tire or the accident or whatever."

You guys can stop for that? My car overheated on I65 a few years back about this time of year. I had a couple cops pass me but nobody stopped. Fortunately, it was about 30 below with the windchill so I was able to run the car, stop for awhile, run the car, etc till i got to the next ramp.

Did it change that cops could stop, or am I just unlucky?

what will happen to indyu? it will be forgotten about in a few weeks

"I'd like to do an open records request to see just how many responses are made by off-duty officers so I can quantify the benefit of this policy."
SO, DO IT! or are you waiting for someone to do it for you?

"what will happen to indyu? it will be forgotten about in a few weeks"
Probably, just like if TDW left the blog world. Forgotten soon after

Ref take-home cars:
Indy has always used the take-home car (previous worth about $5,000, today with high gas prices, $7,000) to supplement lower pay when compared to surrounding agencies. Columbus,OH pays $64,000/year, no take-home. Right now IMPD tops out at $51,570. That alone _will_ drive folks out of Indy. The secret of law enforcement is that it has always been a "family affair." That means that it was not uncommon to see an officer whose family was in law enforcement for generations. Well, I can tell you that mindset is changing. For starters, many cops today don't want their kids working in law enforcement. Second, younger folks are more likely to move to a job, especially if it pays better. Indy is lucky to have the turnout it gets, but what is the quality of the hires. They are $13,000 below a city that is just three hours away. In my recent trip out west, there are a lot of much smaller departments paying about the same as IPD. Areas where baby boomers are flocking to for retirement are offering thousands of dollars in bonus money. The take-home car has allowed Indiana to keep police pay low. Take it away and watch how many cops jump ship, not just in Indy, but especially those along the state lines. Also understand that when the tornadoes went through a few years ago (east side) _every_ cop I saw directing traffic was an off-duty officer who was able to respond in his/her police vehicle. They were all in plain cloths, wearing their Tac-vest most keep in their cars for just that sort of incident. Yes, they were getting paid over-time as well. The thing is, none of them would have been able to make it in if they had their own personal vehicles. Things would have been a nightmare. As far as stranded motorist, most cops do not stop, but a lot of them _do_ call the motorist in. Understand that if you are on the interstate in Indy, you are under state police jurisdiction. City cops that call in stranded motorist have dispatch contact ISP and let them know. ISP is just now getting their numbers up, so while those cops might have called ISP to help you, it would not surprise me if they took hours to show up (if they were able to show up at all).

IMPD officers top out at closer to $60,000, for the record.

And in true public-servant-mindset, you don't add in the benefits. In the private sector, we have to consider that all the time.

The IRS has strict rules governing take-home cars. I'm betting the city doesn't follow them--and that you don't get the value added to your 1040, or get a separate 1099, as the IRS requires. I looked at the IRS website, and there is no exemption for public safety company cars. In at least one vital respect, IMPD officers are just like the salesmen I see on the road every day.

If someone can prove that take-home cars actually work, I'm all for it. I googled the issue, and the available studies are, at best, mixed. So, when research is not producing solid answers, I always turn to practical experience:

Two take-home cars in my neighborhood. One is a perfectly nice younger IMPD officer. Great neighbor. The other is an officer of some kind, not a white shirt, but stripes on his sleeve. He drives like a maniac, on and off duty, smokes obnoxious cigars, blows the smoke everywhere, leaves his dog outside and barking 24/7, and routinely runs the stopsign at the end of my cul-de-sac. I believe he's a motorcycle cop, but I could be wrong--he often wears the high leather boots.

Yesterday, enroute to church, another off-duty IMPD officer with his family in the car, passed me on a double-yellow on Spring Mill Road. Without lights or siren. Because I was driving 30 mph (speed limits 45) on a rain-slick road.

And routinely, IMPD guys with families pass me (and almost everyone else) on 465, driving 70-80 MPH. I once called in a license number, and dont' know if anything happened.

If I were one of the good IMPD officers, who are surely 95%, I might prefer driving my own car to work.

Because I wouldn't want to get cast in the same light as the jerks I've noted above.

So give us free cars, or you won't have any police officers? Is that what you're saying, 5:56?

The fact is that a certain type of person becomes a police officer. These people will work for $50.00 a year just to do that job.

They psychologically need the job, and they cannot see themselves in any other job. You can cancel take-home cars and every other perk, and as long as they get a badge and a gun, you'll still have all the cops a city can hire.

"IMPD officers top out at closer to $60,000, for the record."

What? http://www.indygov.org/eGov/IMPD/Employment/Sworn/benefits.htm

$51,000 is the three year top. They _might_ get bumped up to $60K, but only if IndyWorks is passed this year.

"So give us free cars, or you won't have any police officers? Is that what you're saying, 5:56?

The fact is that a certain type of person becomes a police officer. These people will work for $50.00 a year just to do that job.

They psychologically need the job, and they cannot see themselves in any other job. You can cancel take-home cars and every other perk, and as long as they get a badge and a gun, you'll still have all the cops a city can hire."

You are right, you can always find someone, even sadist, who would love to be given the legal power to control others. That being said, are you more worried about quantity of officers, or the quality of officers? If Indiana does away with the take-home cars that many officers get (I think they classify them as "issued equipment" to get around IRS income issues), you _will_ see a lot of jumping to other departments. Most cops today are following the path of the private sector: Go to where the money is, or where you think the quality of life is better for you. This is especially true with people that don't have much family in the area they were raised in. Law enforcement is changing, some for the good, some for the bad. Given that, if you want your taxes going up, up, and away because of numerous police lawsuits, go ahead and worry about quantity. Yea, you won't pay the cop that much, but the savings you see in wages will get eaten up paying out claims. The old saying applies to police as well: 'You get what you pay for.' I like how folks think they will always have quality folks willing to be cops for low wages. All one has to do is look at low paid police dispatchers and child welfare workers. Low pay, lots of work, lots of liability, and high turnover.

"You are right, you can always find someone, even sadist, who would love to be given the legal power to control others. That being said, are you more worried about quantity of officers, or the quality of officers?"

Most cops ARE sadists. The kind of person we need to be a police officer will never take the job. Police are becoming rapidly militarized, and we are on a very dangerous course with them.

The military and U.S. Government are handing almost every department military weapons and gear. It's like police forces have become auxiliary military units or domestic control forces. We're giving too much power to big, dumb, men with facial hair, hot tempers and inferiority complexes.

If proper psychological screening were applied to police officers, only 95 lb. female librarians who qualify for Mensa would qualify for the job.

10:23 - you're a moron. You shouldn't be allowed to breed.

9:55, "issued equipment" is its own IRS guideline. Still, it is, if used for personal use, a taxable event. There's no getting around that. A not-unsubstantial value, too...a nice benefit.

And, although the stated wage scale tops out at just under $52,000, step-level increases and other salary multipliers, put quite a few officers near $60K.

I wouldn't do it for $300K, but, facts are facts.

Because the council and taxpayers of this city passed a COIT increase, for the first time in modern history, police pensions are fully funded. Doubt it? Ask the Wall Street debt rating houses, who, after the council vote, immediately (within three days) upped the city's credit rating. They're ruthless bastards, and they care not that the city hated the tax increase. Their chief concern was the unfunded liability, and now, that's handled.

And pardon my observation, because I may have msised it, but I didn't hear the whiney FOP thank we citizens once for that increase in taxes. For the record: you're welcome, IMPD officers.

"And, although the stated wage scale tops out at just under $52,000, step-level increases and other salary multipliers, put quite a few officers near $60K."

Same goes with other departments. So after 20 years at IMPD you are making $60K+$7K take home car. At Columbus, OH, you might be making around $80K with no take-home car.

"Because the council and taxpayers of this city passed a COIT increase, for the first time in modern history, police pensions are fully funded. Doubt it? .... And pardon my observation, because I may have msised it, but I didn't hear the whiney FOP thank we citizens once for that increase in taxes."

First off, the citizens did NOT pass a COIT increase, the council did. The citizens might have said "No." Did you ask every citizen? One could also take the election as proof the citizens did NOT want the increase. My personal belief is this: The merger savings will likely not come about, not unless you start cutting/firing gold badges and force the remaining gold badges to do more while making the same pay. The rumor was that the merger was to do one thing, take the full funded MCSD pension and mix it with the semi-funded IPD pension. Well, even with that, I doubt there was enough money. I don't know if this would be legal, but maybe the city should sue the state for the money. From things I have read, it was the state who mandated the formation of pensions for Indy officers (likely to get better hires?). If this is true, then every county in this state should be throwing in something. A .1% sales tax for however many years should do the trick.

“Indyu is signing off because Ruth Holladay nailed Abdul on it. Not the kind of PR Tom John's law firm needs.” – 12/09, 3:29

Ruth Holladay “nailed” Abdul?

I would love to know who was behind the addled postings of IndyU, but I don’t think Ruth has nailed anything.

Here’s what her blog said today:

“Radio talk show host and attorney Abdul Hakim-Shabazz has been unquestionably linked to the blog, by virtue of a recent search warrant targeted to recover his computer.”

No sources, no copy of the warrant, no explanation of what ties the warrant to the blog’s authorship.

Ruth may be running out ahead of the facts, as she frequently did at the Star – a tendency that regularly landed her in the paper’s Corrections column.

In 2004, according to the IMCPL’s online Star database, she really rang the bell -- ELEVEN corrections, sometimes at the rate of one every other week. (Jan. 21, 23; Feb. 19, 28; April 16; June 23; July 9, 15; Sept. 3, Oct. 18, Nov. 5.)

That’s probably some kind of record. In any other field, that kind of performance would get you disbarred, banned for life or nominated for president.

Not in the blogosphere, though. Ruth can say anything, especially about her hated former employers. INtake is going out of print, she “reported” recently - then promptly retracted: “My mistake: I misunderstood what I was originally told.” (www.ruthholladay.com, 12/10)

I prefer Jen’s approach on this blog – finding the documents and pointing us to her sources. I hope she gets a good tip on the IndyU mystery.

With any luck, the new mom and baby will be up and blogging again soon. The Hendrys can even frame the kid’s first Access to Public Records Act request.

do they all make that many mistakes?

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