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Watching The Clock: Bill Would Put Time Zone Issue On The Ballot

Clock It's time again to talk about everybody's favorite issue:

"The federal government moved the time zone boundary in November for the second time in less than two years, but that may not be the final word on the subject.

"A state lawmaker from Southwestern Indiana wants to put the question to the voters.

"Rep. Kreg Battles, D-Vincennes, has introduced legislation, House Bill 1038, that would hold a statewide referendum in 2008: It would ask Hoosier voters whether Indiana should be on a single time zone — and if so, which zone, Central or Eastern.

"Although the November 2008 referendum would be advisory only, Battles hopes it would create a mandate on a controversy that until now has generated confusion, bedeviled lawmakers and made Indiana the butt of jokes for years.

"Twelve of Indiana's 92 counties are on Central time; the rest on Eastern. Having Indiana divided between two time zones is a problem in border counties, Battles said."

Comments

DOA

What a loser.

Once again--don't we have much larger issues to deal with (see property taxes) instead of whining about DST?

Hm.. gets him the coverage in his corner of the state that he needs to win reelection in 2008. It won't go anywhere in the short session, because we'd laugh their silly asses out of there if they tackle this rather than property taxes. And as it's advisory AND THE FEDERAL GOVT WOULD HAVE TO AGREE... it's a feel-good and bitch about it thing anyway.

Win-Win for Battles-- DOA otherwise.

What a stupid waste of time and resources. It doesn't matter how Hoosiers answer. The DOT is never going to draw a time zone line through a major metropolitan area. In other words, Lake County is never going to be in the Eastern Time Zone as long as Chicago is in the Central. Clark and Floyd counties are never going to be on Central time as long as Louisville is on Eastern.

It's time to get over it. The issue was the observation of DST, not that the state had multiple time zones. Hell, Kentucky has two time zones and it doesn't seem to have affected them. So does Tennessee, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Idaho and some other states. Give it a rest, the whole state observes DST, that's enough for now.....

Good Grief Charlie Brown. Get a life. Move on to something important. The cows are adjusting just fine. The two drive=in theaters have survived this terrible change.

Why limit it to time zones?

Since it's only advisory:

IU or Purdue?
Chicken - fried or baked?
Should it be vee-vee or ve-vay?
Should North Vernon be renamed South Vernon and South Bend become North Bend?

South Bend's in the North, North Vernon's in the South, and French Lick is nothing like it sounds.

By the by, it's Vee-vee. And up north, it's Pu-la-sky. That's their choice, stupid as it sounds.

Some very sensible people I know are hopping mad about the time issue. I don't get it, but I guess I don't have to. I just know we aren't the (nearly) sole national holdouts on this issue any more.

A non-binding referendum wouldn't bother me. But if they take up this bill, and don't get rid of township government, I'm getting a pitchfork and starting a bonfire.

Because there's only so much awe-shucks hayseed BS I can take. Mitch in a motorhome in 2003 pushed my limits. DST referenda without taking care of real business, well...hang 'em all.

I liked it before Mitch, let's just get ride of Mitch. . .Indiana was fine. The states around us was fine, it wasn’t until Mitch came alone that there was a problem. . .even my dog has a problem with the time! He is so confused with all this switching and changing. . .what a mess! Last, I don’t care to have it daylight at 9 PM in the summer, I need to be able to go to bed so I can get up in the mornings and not feel like I have a hang over every day! So I say, get rid of Mitch, get rid of this STUPID TIME! Indiana had it’s own time and we need to go back to it. Mitch can move to the East and play golf anytime he wants, as late as he wants, just get out of Indiana!

5:42pm GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Your dog can't handle DST??? You remind me of one of my neighbors a couple of years ago when we were discussing "light-rail" following the "Fair Train" Nickel Plate tracks. She complained that the train going past her house "upset the birds in her back yard". I am so glad we went on DST so I don't have to put up with my out of state friends trying to figure out what time it was here when they came into the state. Love that sun.

Personally, I liked Eastern Standard Time. It made sense in both the summer and the winter. I've never figured out why in the 21st century we have to have DST anywhere? It's a Catch-22. Because we're on the western edge of ET (or the eastern edge of CT), no matter which time zone we're put in either sunrise or sunset will be out of sync with our bodies. Isn't it time for a national referendum on abolishing DST for all?

As for the Nickel Plate, it ran along our backyard when I was growing up... it's like the grandfather clock in the hall you don't notice it ... although my dad did say the early morning run was the reason he had kids :-)

wow, really? Really? It will be fun to see these jokers try to rehash all the Gov's least popular initiatives. It will backfire because most voters will assign blame to anyone in office when they go to the polls, a la November...

Excellent point, John M.

(ps: why is the comment above being blocked by the anti-spam filter?)

For pete's sake, I can't believe some people are still whining about having to change the clocks! The rest of the country has done it for years, those folks are fine. I grew up in the SW corner of Indiana where we changed clocks twice a year, I'm fine. It's much easier when the whole state does the same thing, even if part of it is on eastern and part is on central. Other states split time zones and it's not an issue there, why should it be such a big deal in Indiana?

The time was perfect just the way it was, but the little one-termer had to mess it up for everybody. What a tool!

This is not about DST. It is about wanting to put all of Indiana on a single time zone. Me thinks you protest too much (re; DST).

No, it was not perfect the way it was. People - even some people living in Indiana - didn't know what time Indiana was on. It was confusing! Part of the year, we were almost all on central time, the other part of the year most of us were on eastern time. Part of us were on eastern time year-round, and part of us were on central time year-round. How is that perfect? The switch to DST made sense...now we ALL spring forward and fall back. Now most of the state is on eastern time all the time, with a small portion on central time all the time. Makes much more sense than having the several different time zones we had a few years ago.
DST factors into it because a lot of people who have problems with the time zone issue are complaining about wanting to go back to the way it was, pre-DST. There are a couple replies in this thread that even say to go back to the way it was...pre-DST. Apparently DST is too difficult of a concept for some minds...

I don't care about the politics of DST or do I give a rat's a** about how good it is for the corporate types. I've been around for over 50 years and a Hoosier resident my entire life. I'm used to the time zone situation now and don't mind it at all. I thought I would hate it but now that it's a fact of life I kind of like it. As far as the counties in the NW and the SW, I'm sure that they are used to their situation by now. Why don't we just leave the whole thing alone, sit back and read some of the guv's favorite books? Another subject, I know, but maybe he and Oprah can get together sometime for a show on the books we should be reading.

Will you DST fans quit whining about losing your ability to play golf after work? Please. It's so tiring and selfish.

DST was a bad idea that has hurt the State's economy, imposed massive costs on the State's businesses and residents and disrupted the lives of millions of Hoosiers.

All so the selfish DST fans can play an extra round of golf.

It's no trouble, at all, not to switch your clocks, twice a year. I'm sure you can figure out how not to switch your clocks. Quit whining. You'll get used to it.

If you're not smart enough to know what time it is in other cities, well, with that extra money you'll save from not playing golf, you can buy a globe.

DST was a bad idea, advanced by some bad people. We're going to get it undone and put Indiana back on the road to progress.

We don't have time in Indiana for Hoosiers to insist that the State run on the old-fashioned and discarded DST. We got rid of it, years ago, because it was a bad idea.

Too bad we've got people full of old fashioned bad ideas in power.

Sorry to disagree Kendra - but most of Indiana, with the exception of the Lake and Vanderburgh county areas, has NEVER been on Central Time. We were on Eastern STANDARD Time. Which basically means we were on the same time year round while the rest of the country changed. Personally I think the whole country should go back to standard time and forget DST. It may have saved money when we operated by candlelight and all went to bed at a decent hour, but I fail to see how it makes a rat's ass bit of difference nowadays with 24-hour everything.

So, you must think it is cheaper to use electricity than candles, uh?

abc...EST is the same time as CDT. In the summer when the clocks said 7:00 in Evansville, they also said 7:00 in Indianapolis. I know the majority of the state was never on true "Central" time, but the time on the clocks matched what the clocks said in the CDT time zone. I probably should have worded that a bit differently, but my main point was that there were too many differences in time zones in Indiana before Mitch implemented DST.
And to the anonymous who posted at 9:35 AM...golf isn't a deciding factor for most people, you know. If you don't like DST, take it up with the FEDERAL government, as they're the ones who decided on DST in the first place. Indiana going on DST was just to put them with the rest of the country. Mitch didn't invent DST all by himself. And it's not a matter if Indiana residents not knowing what time it is in other cities, it's the problem of people in the rest of the country and the world not knowing what time it is in Indiana cities.
I still contend that the rest of the country functions just fine on DST without these "massive problems", so Indiana can do the same without whining about it. Personally, I can live with or without DST...don't change the clocks, change the clocks, whatever. But my point is that if the rest of the country observes it, Indiana should also follow.

Thank you Kendra and you are so right. And to you 9:35 poster, I do not play golf. I just enjoy the extra hour in the evening working in my yard, cooking out, talking with my neighbors. I also do not have a problem resetting my clocks and VCR's. Seems to me that Kentucky, Tennessee, Nebraska, and other states that are split by the time zones, don't have a problem with changing their clocks twice a year.

"If you don't like DST, take it up with the FEDERAL government"

Quit lying. It was the Indiana Legislature and Mitch, not the Federal Government, who put Indiana on DST.

"And it's not a matter if Indiana residents not knowing what time it is in other cities, it's the problem of people in the rest of the country and the world not knowing what time it is in Indiana cities."

And yet that was never a problem. That's an after-created lie, completely unsupported by any facts, anywhere.

"But my point is that if the rest of the country observes it, Indiana should also follow."

That makes no logical sense. Try thinking for yourself instead of looking for a crowd to follow.

If the rest of the country went three hours ahead, should Indiana follow?

Think for yourself. DST was an old idea that Indiana well rid itself of. We do not need to go backwards by readopting it.

"I also do not have a problem resetting my clocks and VCR's."

What an infantile and conquered rationalization. As if a law is justified because you are able to bear its burdens and claim stoic compliance to its obligations.

Does the law stop at the point you "have a problem?"

You find the dumbest arguments among the pro-DST crowd.

DST Golfers Are Liars:

I'm NOT a golfer. I have never played a single round of golf in my life. It would be wise to quit ASSuming that anyone who supports DST is a glofer. That's a rather lame argument, anyway.

Some points to your points..

1. The FEDERAL government established DST long ago. That is not a lie. Look it up.

2. It was a problem of people elsehwere not knowing what time Indiana cities were on. I've experienced it with out-of-state friends. Look at the time zone boundaries...according to them, Indianapolis would be on the same time as New York time year-round, but they were with New York only have the year. The rest of the year, they were with Chicago. People who have no prior connection to Indiana would not know that. How can you not see that?

3. I DO think for myself, thank you. And yes, if the rest of the country went 3 hours ahead, Indiana should follow, just for logic's sake. Almost all the other 49 states go with DST and haven't failed because of it. Indiana will be just fine on DST. No need to be a rebel on EVERY issue.

DST may be an outdated concept, but for the time being, go with the rest of the country on it. If DST is dropped, then by all means, drop it in Indiana.

By the way, no need to be so nasty. Accusing people of lying and not thinking for themselves isn't necessary. There are better ways to get your point across. Cheers!

Kendra let's face it, people such as "DST golfers are liars" will never get it. I'm glad my out of state clients no longer call me at 7:00am in the morning thinking it was 8:00am here pre DST time and then the same time in the winter. It was also rather humorous when the Final Four was here in 2001 and all my fellow out-of-town workers were trying to figure out what time it was due to the change over the weekend. Not to mention our habit of always having tornadoes during the event.

"if the rest of the country went 3 hours ahead, Indiana should follow, just for logic's sake."

See, folks? The DST people have no justification for DST except "everyone else does it."

That's the path of followers.

Indiana had it right.

"Almost all the other 49 states go with DST and haven't failed because of it."

So a stupid practice is fine to the point of political and economic failure?

You need a better foundation for your ethics.

"Indiana will be just fine on DST."

Proof? Can you show that we'll be better off?

DST is expensive. Nobody has ever been able to show that DST leaves anyone better off.

You're welcome to be the first to pen such a study.

"I'm glad my out of state clients no longer call me at 7:00am in the morning thinking it was 8:00am here pre DST time and then the same time in the winter."

So? Where's the pressing economic need, and where is it the State's job to go through such trouble and expense because of your clients?

DST appeals to the Selfish.

So DST = political and economic failure? Wow. How on earth does the rest of the country function then? I don't see any state imploding or collapsing from being on DST. They seem to be functioning, despite the horror of having to change clocks twice a year.

The proof that Indiana will be fine on DST? The fact that the other states in the country haven't imploded or collapsed. Why on earth is Indiana *any* different in that vein? We have the same general population, the same general businesses...other states survive it, and any reasonable person would predict that Indiana would survive it to.

The people who are so opposed to DST would have everyone believe that it's the end of the world being on DST. I know *you* don't think it's proof (and I'm on to you enough to know that nothing will ever be proof in your mind, because you are completely 100% set in your POV and wouldn't budge for even the most common sense argument), but the fact that far SW, NW, and SE Indiana - not to mention the rest of the country - have followed DST for years and people aren't dying because of it should tell you something. Businesses aren't going bankrupt, fields still produce crops, the sun still rises and sets every day. And all that happens despite DST! WOW!

Indykent...I know I'm not going to convince "DST Golfers are liars"/"DST for the selfish" (too bad he/she is such a coward as to not use a real name...and comes up with really lame monikers, at that) of anything. He/She seems to be getting a little touchy on the subject, what with the questioning of my ethics and ability to think for myself and calling me a liar...so why not rankle him/her a bit more? :-)

Indiana didn't implode either when we didn't use DST. With the new dates to REset the clocks, we will only be off this nonsense about 3 months of the year. If Congress keeps it up, we'll be on DST all year long. Hmmm. Why bother changing the clocks? Leave them alone. It WAS fine. DST is just that, Damn Stupid Timekeeping!!!

"So DST = political and economic failure? Wow. How on earth does the rest of the country function then?"

Where was that said? You need to pay better attention to what was said and not argue against a straw man.

Quoted by you (well, I'm guessing it was you, although you're hiding behind a different name) at 3:21 PM:

"So a stupid practice is fine to the point of political and economic failure?"

I've read this statement every which way from Sunday to try and figure out any other meaning, and I can't come up with anything else. Unless you're reading it differently than I am, you think DST will lead to economic and political failure.

I pay attention just fine, thanks. No straw man. Cheers!

its a done deal so why bother? kendra you seem to be a big supporter can you explain exactly what it is we are saving?

I just don't like it because it is backward. if we are going to manipulate the clocks to 'save' sunlight, why not do that in the WINTER when sunlight is in short supply?

as it is now the sundial downtown read 10am at noon during certain times of the year.

having said all of that, this whole argument is a microcosim (spelling?) of what is wrong with civil discourse today. not observing dst may have been out of step with the rest of the country, but it was a good compromise. just about everyone got their way for half the year.

now that we have dst the 'victors' just say 'we won, you are backwards/stupid/whatever, so shut up and get over it already'

so much for compromise. especially since the leading reason to do dst is because 'everyone else is doing it'

Kendra,

This is your quote:

"Almost all the other 49 states go with DST and haven't failed because of it."

Here's my retort:

"So a stupid practice is fine to the point of political and economic failure?"

In being called out on your grotesque misreading, you offer:

"I've read this statement every which way from Sunday to try and figure out any other meaning, and I can't come up with anything else. Unless you're reading it differently than I am, you think DST will lead to economic and political failure."

If you have expressed your sentiments honestly, immediately decamp to IUPUI. Find an English, Economics or Philosophy professor, and explain your confusion at my retort.

A similar line of refutation was employed in this exchange:

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""I also do not have a problem resetting my clocks and VCR's."

What an infantile and conquered rationalization. As if a law is justified because you are able to bear its burdens and claim stoic compliance to its obligations.

Does the law stop at the point you "have a problem?" "

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Upon leaving the professor's office, spend the rest of your life reading books whose principal substance is critical thinking.

And we know that a very basic requirement of being a critical thinker is to label people stupid and refer them to someone else if they fail to see the point.

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